Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/H. Terry Cady

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete all except Frank D. Stafford. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:45, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

H. Terry Cady

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consensus exists that an article that's only claim to significance is being a mayor of North Adams, Massachusetts is not notable enough. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ernest H. Rosasco Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 15:25, 23 February 2018 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason:[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 15:41, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 15:41, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all except Stafford. Being a mayor of North Adams could be enough for notability if the person could be sourced well enough to clear WP:GNG for it, but is not an automatic inclusion freebie that exempts a person from having to clear GNG. But all of these articles either state that the subject existed as a mayor the end, or add only personal life details that are irrelevant to establishing notability — not one of them addresses or sources anything about what they actually did in their role as mayor. And none are actually evincing a GNG pass, either: some are completely unsourced, some are single-sourced to glancing namechecks of the person's existence in much broader local history books, and while some cite more sources than that none of those sources are strong ones. James M. Lilly, for example, cites three primary source civil genealogy records (his draft card, his Social Security Death Index entry and a census form) that cannot support notability at all, his obituary, and his wife's obituary. Which means his obituary is the only source that even begins to support his notability, because it's the only one that actually represents coverage about him, but it's not a source that can carry GNG all by itself as an article's only relevant source. No prejudice against recreation in the future if someone can actually do much better at actually sourcing some or all of these over WP:NPOL #2 than any of them is showing right now. Bearcat (talk) 16:37, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all: Someone put a deal of work into all of these, but it'd have been better if the person had created these articles with "Do they meet the GNG?" in mind rather than "Whee, let's make an article for every mayor of North Adams, no matter how obscure!" The arguments in favor of deletion are entirely persuasive. Ravenswing 17:52, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete all~~ would have to pass WP:GNG; being a mayor does not automatically convey notability, and no other notability is shown here. SportingFlyer (talk) 23:33, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all but Stafford as per Bearcat. SportingFlyer (talk) 02:45, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete All except Frank D. Stafford. According to the article he was a member of the Vermont House of Representatives which would pass WP:NPOL. He only served in that position for a year or two though and since the sources are offline, I can't verify it. I'm wondering if Frank Stafford the mayor is the same person as Frank Stafford the representative since they served in two different state, although I guess it is possible.--Rusf10 (talk) 04:19, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's certainly possible — North Adams is literally only a few miles away from the VT-MA border and the town Stafford is claimed to be from is literally only a few miles further north of it, so it doesn't strain credulity as much as it would if the states in question were further apart — but as it stands the claim that he served in the Vermont House of Representatives is actually entirely unsourced, and I'm bothered by the lack of any information about what district he actually represented in the Vermont House, or who his predecessors and successors were. If a source can be located to confirm that claim, I'll switch to a keep on him — but if it can't, we'll need to delete and just permit recreation in the future if and when somebody can source him better than this. Bearcat (talk) 17:14, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This [1] only has him as a mayor, and has a list of representatives from Vermont in 1888 on another part of the website. Someone will have to go to offline sources to confirm. SportingFlyer (talk) 17:36, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, we're good. After enough fiddling with my search terms, I was finally able to find the Vermont Legislative Directory for the years he served — and its biography of him matches all of the biographical details that were already present here from the Massachusetts-based sources. So I've refactored my prior comment to keep him, but I'm still a delete on everybody else and we do still need more sourcing for Stafford overall. Bearcat (talk) 17:58, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Stafford State Representatives pass WP:NPOL. I express concern about the use of WP:BUNDLE for articles that are not similarly situated. At the time his page was nominated for deletion, it contained a reference to his service in the Vermont Legislature, and was not merely a mayor of North Adams. --Enos733 (talk) 18:43, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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